Thread:Natsu11/@comment-3544775-20130720143634/@comment-3544775-20130721114712

Robo, go check Hauser's page, it says it's Wind Manipulation. It doesn't matter what you named the page for the ability, since the content is saying it's wind manipulation. "to manipulate and control wind" and that is the wrong thing, we haven't seen him control or manipulate wind, we saw him only creating twisters/tornadoes. You know, the wind is not only spinning. Yeah it "can" control wind at certain degree, but giving him that much credit as wind manipulator, you are giving him absolute full control of the wind, which we haven't even be hinted at -> thus speculation. Get my point? Yes, correct, "he can create fire". And you saw Hauser using tornado and "he can manipulate wind" came up, why not "he can create tornadoes" or "tornado manipulator"? Wind and Tornado may be related, but they are not the same thing and here we talk about special abilities, which are usually tied to something more precise.

Natsu11: that's what I wanted to point you out, not to start a debate or something. I mean you are saying no speculations, yet doing that there was pretty much speculation on the tiny thing you saw. It's few times already which you annoyed me saying me to not do things I haven't done. That's why I wanted to point you out this. Creating fire is one thing, manipulating it is different. And it won't be Fire Manipulation, but "somehow creates fire"? Then why this is Wind Manipulation and not "he can creates and control tornadoes"? Or even controlling and creating spinning winds is far more correct than Wind Manipulator.

You are using online sites? Does that mean that all of the references pages you are adding are wrong then? If you are adding the pages according to that site which says it's 16 page, while it's really 11 page. No it ain't proof. The small lake was created by the cup, and the cup is no longer there to support its lake, so the fire + time -> the small lake dried (which is natural, since it was artificial created and was pretty small). Go throw a bucket of water in a small hole and see if it won't dry. You are changing your words. First you said you saw the cup dried, not you say it's based on the dried lake. All your words are speculation, since you haven't seen the cup and the small lake is natural to dry, when the cup is not there.

Aikenhead: 2. His power is still twister/tornado/spin related. It's probably wind/air based to some degree without a doubt, but like I said, Wind Manipulator, gives him credit for full control of the wind. That attack against the barbarians was again twister/tornado/spin like. If it was a straight wind without the spinning, I would agree it's more correct to be wind manipulator, but we saw him using only spinning attacks, which doesn't proof that he is wind manipulator. He have a Rising Tornado, that is tornado going up, against the barbarians it looked like tilted tornado going forward -> thus tornado/twister/spin manipulator.

3. Yes, he used various attacks of lighting/electric matter, not just some specific lighting attack. That's why I agree he can be called lighting/thunder/electricity or whatever manipulator, since he was creating and using them in various ways. Not just tornado/twisters.

4. Yes, that's what I wanted to explain to him, since he falls in his "no speculation" rule, but obviously he don't want to admit it.

____________________ To summarize what I was trying to do with this "conversation". I didn't wanted to change it (even through I think it's wrong), it doesn't matter much since it will be changed once we know the ability. But I wanted to point to Natsu11 that he is using and even adding speculations, while he multiple times have told me that we don't work with speculations. And considering I haven't added any speculative matter, it was annoying someone to tell it to me few times (especially when he is doing it).