Talk:Ludociel/@comment-24070327-20190124204438/@comment-24070327-20190124211748

Not really. There is a difference between an ability that powers you up and one that does something.

The Original was really fawking powerful even BEFORE he started being powered up by Climax. I'm pretty sure nobody thought Ludociel could trash him in that state, which is the point. The fact that the Original needed to power up with Climax to overpower Ludo, when before it could be safely assumed that he could beat Ludo at base, shows that Ludo is a hell of a lot stronger in his actual body rather than a vessel.